July 2020 Competition - Fishing Flies - Discussion

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Re: July 2020 Competition - Fishing Flies - Discussion

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crazyflight wrote:it's been around 6-7 attempts for either a cinnabar or buckeye today and yesterday and they've all failed
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YunoGasai wrote:I'm stopping at 25 tree nymphs. there isn't enough time for 25 of anything beyond that for me. this comp so did not have enough time in it for the vast majority of people it seems. maybe next time allow cooldown pots.
While I'd also love to be able to use cooldown potions (as I'm currently fully stocked), I fear it would cause an even bigger disadvantage for some people. I mean, even the lack of gender potions some people had put them at a disadvantage, just not as much. Cooldown potions would make that gap between front runners and everyone else just that much more gigantic. O.o
This. It seems really rude to newer users to basically bar them from winning just because they didn't have a chance to stockpile cooldown items. Heck, even starting with just 20 gender change potions was a huge advantage for me over players who had none, tbh - I've squeaked by with not having to spend egg slots on gender change potions whenever I have anything worth breeding. Given how much of a premium egg slots are at during events like this, that's still pretty important. I can't imagine how much worse it would be when people can save *three whole days* for free instead of having to spend a whole hatching period.
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Re: July 2020 Competition - Fishing Flies - Discussion

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Kestrad wrote:
Jadeunicorn wrote:
YunoGasai wrote:I'm stopping at 25 tree nymphs. there isn't enough time for 25 of anything beyond that for me. this comp so did not have enough time in it for the vast majority of people it seems. maybe next time allow cooldown pots.
While I'd also love to be able to use cooldown potions (as I'm currently fully stocked), I fear it would cause an even bigger disadvantage for some people. I mean, even the lack of gender potions some people had put them at a disadvantage, just not as much. Cooldown potions would make that gap between front runners and everyone else just that much more gigantic. O.o
This. It seems really rude to newer users to basically bar them from winning just because they didn't have a chance to stockpile cooldown items. Heck, even starting with just 20 gender change potions was a huge advantage for me over players who had none, tbh - I've squeaked by with not having to spend egg slots on gender change potions whenever I have anything worth breeding. Given how much of a premium egg slots are at during events like this, that's still pretty important. I can't imagine how much worse it would be when people can save *three whole days* for free instead of having to spend a whole hatching period.
As an addition to this, it would have made things even more fair if the only allowed way to hatch/grow our fish was by posting in the click threads and using the nursery.
I know some people don't use yarolds and/or twitter. Those (of us) who use twitter have a huge advantage compared to those who don't.
I also know twitter has been abused for this competition. Getting a creature from egg to adult in under an hour? :srsly:
It would be a lie to say I don't over-use twitter myself. I keep posting-deleting-posting-deleting the same codes when in a hurry just to get them to grow. And I'm sure others do similar things like this because of lack of time.
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Re: July 2020 Competition - Fishing Flies - Discussion

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Kestrad wrote:
Jadeunicorn wrote:
YunoGasai wrote:I'm stopping at 25 tree nymphs. there isn't enough time for 25 of anything beyond that for me. this comp so did not have enough time in it for the vast majority of people it seems. maybe next time allow cooldown pots.
While I'd also love to be able to use cooldown potions (as I'm currently fully stocked), I fear it would cause an even bigger disadvantage for some people. I mean, even the lack of gender potions some people had put them at a disadvantage, just not as much. Cooldown potions would make that gap between front runners and everyone else just that much more gigantic. O.o
This. It seems really rude to newer users to basically bar them from winning just because they didn't have a chance to stockpile cooldown items. Heck, even starting with just 20 gender change potions was a huge advantage for me over players who had none, tbh - I've squeaked by with not having to spend egg slots on gender change potions whenever I have anything worth breeding. Given how much of a premium egg slots are at during events like this, that's still pretty important. I can't imagine how much worse it would be when people can save *three whole days* for free instead of having to spend a whole hatching period.
I respectfully disagree. As one who has only used a single gender change potion, I have managed a number of the personal goals, as well as a large point score simply from continually breeding my fish. If they had allowed the cool down potions as well as/instead of the gender change potions they could have done exactly what they did for the gender change potion quest and added a cool down potion quest that required the SB monarchs instead. That would have made it possible for newbies to play as easily as those with stockpiled potions. I have stockpiled potions, mostly because I don't use them and chose not to use them, but for the once, because I knew if I kept catching, hatching, breeding and hatching that my genders would eventually even out. They haven't yet, but they're pretty close.
Real wrote:As an addition to this, it would have made things even more fair if the only allowed way to hatch/grow our fish was by posting in the click threads and using the nursery.
I know some people don't use yarolds and/or twitter. Those (of us) who use twitter have a huge advantage compared to those who don't.
I also know twitter has been abused for this competition. Getting a creature from egg to adult in under an hour? :srsly:
It would be a lie to say I don't over-use twitter myself. I keep posting-deleting-posting-deleting the same codes when in a hurry just to get them to grow. And I'm sure others do similar things like this because of lack of time.
On this note, as twitter and yarold's are both free services and anyone can sign up for them, even newbies could take advantage of the fast hatch/grow abilities afforded. So banning the use of them wouldn't even the playing field any. Not using those services is a choice not a disadvantage in the competition.
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Ayakashi wrote: On this note, as twitter and yarold's are both free services and anyone can sign up for them, even newbies could take advantage of the fast hatch/grow abilities afforded. So banning the use of them wouldn't even the playing field any. Not using those services is a choice not a disadvantage in the competition.
yeah i also think this'd be really hard to enforce since those are both external sites- it'd just be more work for the MS staff (and probably impossible to entirely eliminate).

They def seem like they tried to compromise on making things fairer to newer users but also letting people use some potions/and have a new way to obtain them (i'm sure if they'd banned all potions, people would have been upset). It's probably never going to be 100% fair- there's def an advantage to just having been on the site longer & knowing all the tricks for hatching/growing faster (as well as having items build up from different events). Plus some people just have more personal time/better internet connections/etc that they can't really account for.

I'm sure they'll take critique/feedback from this one and work it into the next breeding comp/event tho.
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Re: July 2020 Competition - Fishing Flies - Discussion

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i definitely agree with ayakashi, though i realize that it's nuanced. i only started using twitter for this competition, and needless to say it's certainly helped. it was pretty easy to do, and its application to this competition and hatching eggs in general is pretty straightforward, so i don't see huge barriers to entry or whatever.

i still do think that allowing cooldown potions would have been nice, though. i suppose incorporating that element of luck makes it interesting, and since everyone faces the same breeding probabilities i don't think it's an issue of fairness. it's just plain old frustrating to build up several generations over several days to a buckeye x sunset pair, only to have it fail.
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I'm up to 22 Tree Nymphs, so unless my 22 pairs that produce them completely fail me when they come off cool down again, I'm pretty sure I'll reach my 25.

I've hit 10 Sunsets as well, which I'm pretty pleased about. Only 3 Buckeyes.

I'll get to attempt my 2 Cinnabar pairings again in about 1.5 hours. Let's see if I end up 5/5 fails for trying to breed a Cinnabar. :devil:
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salt wrote:jesus i have more cinnabars than i do buckeyes
Must be nice...I've fought to get 1 buckeye bred and no cinnabars yet. XD Have tried varying the times I've bred too with no luck. :facepalm:


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because all my other buckeyes failed i only have two cinnabars and they're brother and sister... i feel so weird breeding them. but. i'm gonna do it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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