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Re: New Creatures Mist and Telvian Ammits

PostPosted: March 8th, 2019, 1:17:51 am
by VilaWolf
BBkat wrote:I was just linking it for the images of the mythical creature that the MS one was based on and how they always have a crocodile head. I *know* the MS creatures are not the same the ones they're based on, appearance or lore wise (case in point the Chimera that was also, the actual Chimera from Greek mythology was also part dragon or serpent-it's been depicted breathing fire and having wings and a snake tail)


My point was that, no, a croc's head isn't what makes a Magi Ammit an Ammit since the Magi Ammit isn't an Ammit as it has already been altered to remove a factor critical to the creature's design and meaning simply for aesthetic. You can't tell people that a certain feature is the 'deciding' feature when you've already flat out ignored other aspects and you're basically already at the point of "in name only".

Believe it or not, this is a huge issue that many, many people have accidentally walked into for a very long time, in several ways.

Not just with the Thunderbirds on Magi that never should have been done. (we're shoving a bit into your god's mouth and putting a saddle on it's back and treating it like a flying horse, hope you Native's don't mind!) But it comes up in art, TV and movies constantly. There's the Hannibal show that "put antlers on it" and treated the Wendigo as an art-deco aesthetic. Baphomet* in New Adventures of Sabrina which is actually all male instead of the male/female duality that Baphomet is suppose to represent. There an Artist's statue in San Jose of "Quetzalcoatl" that is commonly referred to as "The Dog Poo". Pretty much all of Supernatural's use of runes and glyphs. Insert your favorite movie about demons or possession, religion, or ghosts and mythology here.

* I am fully aware that Sabrina's Baphomet was cited for copyright and trademark infringement by the ToS - who actually created the All Male Baphomet on purpose as a way of trolling people who don't know what they are mad about. To really unravel that whole mess I'm going to need a flow chart to illustrate about 5 levels deep of trolling that's going on.

It actually really does happen a lot. If it's in name only, that's fine. Run with it. Have fun. Just know about the viper-nest of appropriation you're going to walk into when you attempt to point to a myth to defend choosing one aspect over another.

Re: New Creatures Mist and Telvian Ammits

PostPosted: March 8th, 2019, 2:12:36 am
by Magigirl24
These look nice and lucky I was able to breed one of each kind.

Re: New Creatures Mist and Telvian Ammits

PostPosted: March 8th, 2019, 2:35:20 am
by KarenGriff
I have only one pair and I already go the egg. Maybe I'm lucky? :srs:

Re: New Creatures Mist and Telvian Ammits

PostPosted: March 8th, 2019, 2:43:44 am
by BBkat
VilaWolf wrote:
BBkat wrote:I was just linking it for the images of the mythical creature that the MS one was based on and how they always have a crocodile head. I *know* the MS creatures are not the same the ones they're based on, appearance or lore wise (case in point the Chimera that was also, the actual Chimera from Greek mythology was also part dragon or serpent-it's been depicted breathing fire and having wings and a snake tail)


My point was that, no, a croc's head isn't what makes a Magi Ammit an Ammit since the Magi Ammit isn't an Ammit as it has already been altered to remove a factor critical to the creature's design and meaning simply for aesthetic. You can't tell people that a certain feature is the 'deciding' feature when you've already flat out ignored other aspects and you're basically already at the point of "in name only".

Believe it or not, this is a huge issue that many, many people have accidentally walked into for a very long time, in several ways.

Not just with the Thunderbirds on Magi that never should have been done. (we're shoving a bit into your god's mouth and putting a saddle on it's back and treating it like a flying horse, hope you Native's don't mind!) But it comes up in art, TV and movies constantly. There's the Hannibal show that "put antlers on it" and treated the Wendigo as an art-deco aesthetic. Baphomet* in New Adventures of Sabrina which is actually all male instead of the male/female duality that Baphomet is suppose to represent. There an Artist's statue in San Jose of "Quetzalcoatl" that is commonly referred to as "The Dog Poo". Pretty much all of Supernatural's use of runes and glyphs. Insert your favorite movie about demons or possession, religion, or ghosts and mythology here.

* I am fully aware that Sabrina's Baphomet was cited for copyright and trademark infringement by the ToS - who actually created the All Male Baphomet on purpose as a way of trolling people who don't know what they are mad about. To really unravel that whole mess I'm going to need a flow chart to illustrate about 5 levels deep of trolling that's going on.

It actually really does happen a lot. If it's in name only, that's fine. Run with it. Have fun. Just know about the viper-nest of appropriation you're going to walk into when you attempt to point to a myth to defend choosing one aspect over another.


You are missing my point entirely.
My entire point was that since MS Ammits are part crocodile and part lion/leopard, if you took the crocodile head and replaced it with a cat head (as someone had said should be done) it wouldn't resemble any kind of Ammit, in any known mythos, it would just look like a a Telvian Panther or Mist Stalker.
Which would defeat the point of it being a HYBRID. It has to keep *some* traits to resemble what it's supposed to be.

Also I don't know why we're bringing Thunderbirds into this. Since the only creatures mentioned were Ammits and Chimeras as they were used as an example(also I kinda of assumed MS Thunderbirds were based on the cryptids of the same name, not the Native American being-also I feel like if it really /was/ a case of cultural appropriation/worth complaining about more people would have complained and raised a stink about them in almost three years they've been on the site)

Re: New Creatures Mist and Telvian Ammits

PostPosted: March 8th, 2019, 2:04:04 pm
by Reima
A Panther head, crocodile/hippo body

Re: New Creatures Mist and Telvian Ammits

PostPosted: March 8th, 2019, 2:19:27 pm
by DarrkestDrow
Reima wrote:A Panther head, crocodile/hippo body


...hippo head, panther body, crocodile tail... :derp:
So beautiful. :lol:

Re: New Creatures Mist and Telvian Ammits

PostPosted: March 8th, 2019, 2:22:59 pm
by Airasyraye
I love them! Anything Egyptian is a-okay with me! And the patterns, colors, and effects are wonderful. I vote moar color morphs! Temple Cats, Feather Drakes, Orcae, Minicorns, Mist Stalkers themselves, moar moar moar! And more Egypt or other myths!

Re: New Creatures Mist and Telvian Ammits

PostPosted: March 8th, 2019, 3:44:21 pm
by Reima
DarrkestDrow wrote:
Reima wrote:A Panther head, crocodile/hippo body


...hippo head, panther body, crocodile tail... :derp:
So beautiful. :lol:

Magnificent danger creature
Honestly that would be dangerous xD

Re: New Creatures Mist and Telvian Ammits

PostPosted: March 8th, 2019, 3:59:59 pm
by blockEdragon
Reima wrote:
DarrkestDrow wrote:
Reima wrote:A Panther head, crocodile/hippo body


...hippo head, panther body, crocodile tail... :derp:
So beautiful. :lol:

Magnificent danger creature
Honestly that would be dangerous xD


The bite force of a hippo, the agility of a panther, and it swims. Simply horrifying.

All it needs now is a pair of wings, teleportation, and mind reading powers, no mage shall survive.

Re: New Creatures Mist and Telvian Ammits

PostPosted: March 8th, 2019, 5:32:22 pm
by Arkinine
Well, my Telvians were completely uninterested, but both of my Mist Stalkers made an ammit baby :derp: