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Human Trafficking

Postby Shekru » March 7th, 2012, 12:31:10 pm

Mod Note: This is a thread to discuss human trafficking in general. The problems, commonality, and the efforts against it. Please keep discussions civil.

First, I'd like to say to staff: This is not an advertisement or a recruitment. This is an international issue that needs as much signal boosting as possible. If staff feels that raising awareness of child abduction for the purposes of building a personal army whose bent is nothing but personal gain is in violation of the Community Discussion rules, feel free to lock this thread.


IF YOU DO NOTHING ELSE TODAY.. but spend 29 minutes and 59 seconds for me watching this IMPORTANT video... you will have done something great.

We need to spread the word on this as much as possible. Be a voice for the children of Africa. Help others learn who Joseph Kony is, and why he needs to be stopped at all costs.

Watch the video on Youtube to learn about Joseph Kony and his Crimes.

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Re: KONY 2012

Postby wolfeyedangel » March 7th, 2012, 12:58:01 pm

I am moving this to the Hall of Speakers. Community Discussions is not really for this sort of topic, for discussion of this issue, the Hall of Speakers is better. If you simply wish to advertise the video then yes, it is advertising. We're not an activist site.

I recommend you also do some research on other sources of information for this particular issue. Human Trafficking is a very large issue. World Vision, for example, has some information as well as programs they support to do something about it, and I know there is an actual legal task force (lawyers) volunteering their time to prosecute this issue. I'll have to check with some human contacts to see if I can find the name of the organization. Alas Google needs more than just 'lawyers against human trafficking' to find the one I'm thinking of.

For others who wish to discuss this issue: if you have factual resources to post, I will be happy to post reference links in the first post.

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Re: Human Trafficking

Postby Cassowary » March 7th, 2012, 3:35:54 pm

I have little to say about human trafficking at the moment - I honestly don't know much about it - but I do feel the need to address the Kony thing. This is not a quote from me or written by me, and it's missing the in-text links, but here: wrote:This is what sort of sparked it all which is not good. The video itself is a good piece of emotional porn but that's about it. It's honestly NOT worth the 30 minutes when you find out somethings about the organization that is doing this [Invisible Children].
First of all, the guy who made that film get's paid $90,000 a year. That's for him and his family. This does not include him paying costs for film equipment, video editting software, nor does it cover travel or accomodations whilst in anywhere else. Those are all covered under the ludicrous budgets that the Invisible Children organization actually deal with. Let's go to that now. Here are some expenses from CharityNavigator.:
Compensation of Leaders | % of Compensation relative to amount of money made by IC | Title
$88,241 | 0.99% | Ben Keesey - CEO
$89,669 | 1.00% | Jason Russell - Co-Founder/Filmmaker
$84,377 | 0.94% | Laren Poole - Co-Founder/Filmmaker
Total Contributions: $10,334,060
Program Service Revenue: $3,423,351
Total Primary Revenue: $13,757,411
Other Revenue $7,769
TOTAL REVENUE: $13,765,180
Program Expenses: $7,163,384
Administrative Expenses: $1,444,570
Fundraising Expenses: $286,678
Payments to Affiliates $0 Excess (Or deficit) for the year: $4,870,548
Net Assets $6,584,811
As if that isn't bad enough, they've refused to Co-operate with the Better Business Bureau, Their transparancy rating is fairly low on Charity Navigator, and allegations of fraud.
Besides, they make a fairly large point about sending money to the Ugandan Military. This is a big no no for a couple of reasons. First of all, Kony isn't even in Uganda. Funding a military that has no real authority over another country to LOOK in other countries, is a moronic idea to begin with. Secondly, the Ugandan military is already using this as an excuse to enter other countries and exploit resources from surrouding areas. The Government of Uganda is full of criminals that are worse than Kony himself. Not to mention the bloody PRESIDENT of Uganda is responsible for millions of deaths. Then you've got allegations coming out that Kony is already dead. The LRA (Konys ragtag bunch of assholes) isn't that large, or all that active.
The worst thing about Invisible Children (In my opinion) is that they lobbies for DIRECT MILITARY INTERVENTION IN AFRICA. After all of the terrorist hunts in the Middle East, and having troops stuck in Afghanistan and Iraq, don't you think that the people would have learned by now that having troops in another country to hunt one asshole isn't exactly the best idea? Especially when some of the Republicans believe that invading Iran is a fairly good idea at the moment. There are SERIOUS issues with this group, issues that people are overlooking. I will admit that at first I was already on Twitter and ready to bitch at people about the injustice that's being served in other countries and then I decided to look into the organization. The information is there, and willing, but people are fearful to even look. Fearful, lazy, or just swept up by the movement. Injustice exists in the world. It is damn stupid, and it sucks ass, but that's the nature of this planet at the moment. Humanity, since rising from the primordial ooze, has killed people over far less than anything you could imagine. Then there's the fact that if Kony is alive, and the ICC, or International Criminals Court, manages to put him on trial, what's it going to achieve? Numerous war criminals have stood trial before the ICC. This isn't a game of chess. You don't topple a pawn and move on. The pawns replicate. It's like fighting a hydra. If you slice off one head, more are going to pop up in it's place. You remove one player, and 10 others will appear. Hell, there's a case to be made that awareness driven ngos perpetuate the current state of afafairs and are an intergral part of the current system of global unfairness. They offer placebos for guilty consciences and as such, they don't change anything. If you think of large entites such as Global Corporations, conglomorates and powerful nation states that capitalize on injustice, corruption and disorganization and exploit the poor for their resources and manpower, the best thing that could happen to them are programs such as this. There's a lot of reasons why Invisible Children has a good idea of what they're doing, but FAR too much on the opposite sides of the scales to tip myself (and no doubt others) into not bothering with this group and it's practices.
Information retrieved by use of google, and a variety of different comments spread across Kony2012 post comment fields.
EDIT: A couple of things to note
1) The majority of this post is my beliefs and some facts. I made an opinion and people are saying things, and giving me 'praise' (Can't think of another word) for something that I posted to shut some people up as well as state my opinion.
2) I'm not saying do nothing, which is what half of the people who commented to this post seem to believe. I'm saying that there are many ways you can help the world be a better place rather than subscribing to an organization which seems a bit shady at best. Amnesty International is one, as well as Doctors Without Borders.
3) For the love of God, read the entire thing before you comment. I had my message box flooded with posts saying "You're getting mad over them paying themselves a perfectly normal, reasonable amount of money?" That is NOT THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMENT. While I do not agree with getting paid $90k, which is twice the average income per year in America, that's not what I'm getting at. What I'm getting at is that Invisible Children is an organization that you should think twice about before having any dealings with. If you want to, then that is entirely up to you. I'm just trying to put some facts out there as well as stating my opinion that I am well within my rights to do so. Now. I'm going to bed. It's 4:30 in the morning and I've spent the better part of the past hour and a half going through comments to this comment and trying to explain myself and I'm exhausted. Good night and do whatever you believe is right.

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Re: Human Trafficking

Postby Yunyi » March 7th, 2012, 6:09:28 pm

Yeah, the people who have started this Kony 2012 thing--Invisible Children Inc--are really shady. :| Another article: ... tay-as-far

If people want to really help out, they should put their funds towards other charities. And we have to remain realistic--getting rid of one individual (in this case Joseph Kony) isn't going to stop the human trafficking going on in Africa. IC Inc are pretty much taking advantage of people's emotions in order to benefit themselves. They're also funding the Ugandan government's army... which itself is pretty corrupt and has been involved in child recruitment.

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Re: Human Trafficking

Postby Noodles » March 7th, 2012, 7:57:58 pm

Regarding Invisible Children and it's video on Kony 2012, I do believe that it's becoming too...epitomized? I mean, the organization isn't perfect. It's not guaranteeing the killing of him. I think people need to calm down about it all, and realize what the real, true facts are. I do think Kony is guilty--duh. And he needs to be stopped. ... ot-trouble
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But refuting my own words/the link's I just posted words regarding the small amount of money that gets actually is sent to active aid, well, a lot of famous charity organizations are like this. I can't provide any statistics, so don't believe me if you want, but I think the Red Cross, World Vision, etc. all take at least part of the money for other products.

I do think Invisible Children did a wonderful job of getting this booming topic noticed. They do some good advertising work. But actual, active participation in the killing of him? Well, I think the "STOP AT NOTHING"-ers aren't doing much more than "NOTHING".

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Re: Human Trafficking

Postby nackle » March 17th, 2012, 4:53:09 am

Dont know if this is off topic or not but on the subject of the Invisible Children organization itself, it does cast an even larger shadow on its credibility so i fell its relevant. Jason Russell, the co-founder/narrator of the video, was arrested two days ago in san francisco for being under the influence and running around the streets naked. (also accused of masturbating on several people's cars).

so im in agreement that human traffic is disgusting
and horrible
but the complexities of the war between Uganda and the LRA cannot be fully explained in a half hour documentary
and supporting this organization is probably not the best way to end it
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