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macintot wrote:Has anyone heard of 1 Nation 1 Day? It's this big thing organized by Missions.me, based off of Isaiah 66:8 (Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she has gives birth to her children. (NIV)).

For the sake of clarity, I'll go ahead and start from the beginning. There's several different opinions as to what Isaiah 66:8 is talking about. Some people think that it's talking about the big boom of Christianity in the first few centries, when it went from being a handful of rebels to the official of the Roman empire; some people think it's talking about when Israel became a country in the twentieth centry; others think it's talking about the coming of the messiah; and still other's think it's about an entire nation becoming saved in one day. Dominic and Lindsay Russo, the founders of Missions.me, believe the later. They think that the nation'll be Honduras and the day'll be July 20, 2013.

To make it happen, they've planned a huge crusade/mission trip thing. They'll be sending 2,000 missionaries to Honduras, have services in virtually every high school in the country, and also send in medical help and eighteen crates of food and such (for the eighteen states in Honduras), and theyll be training virtually every pastor in the nation as well. They've also gotten the government to support it. The president of Honduras agreed to support it on international television. He's even agreed to declare 1Nation1Day as a national holiday.

Finally, they're going to have eighteen services in eighteen of the largest venues in Honduras. It's going to be broadcasted live all around the world.

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Welcome, both Stormie and Jada! :)
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Welcome guys! It's good to have you :)
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I'm not a Christian, I would even say I hate everything that has to do with God. I know you're probably angry right now, but please read on. I'm here to ask you something, because I'm confused and you might be able to help me.

Someone I know really well has cancer, and he's only 11 years old. At school we were discussing things like this (children being very ill) and my teacher said that it was his own fault. Because he or his family probably did something wrong. I go to a Christian school so all of the teachers believe in God, as well as almost every pupil. I've heard more people say things like this, and it's one of the reasons I hate this religion.

Also I don't understand most of the 'rules'. People say that God wanted men to be more important than women. I don't believe this, and I will seriously punch everyone who says something like this right in the face. People also can't wear jeans, can't watch TV, can't play games or can't even think about anything that doesn't exist. Because things like vampires and witches are created by the devil so you must hate them. That's all in the Bible? I don't really believe that, they sound like made-up rules.

My Christian friends don't even know I'm not Christian, they don't know of the burning hate that doesn't want to go away. I don't want to hate it, I feel like I don't even want to give it a chance. Are these things all in the Bible? Do people get sick and die because of their own faults? Even it they're children or babies? At school they sometimes talk about the non-believers, about how they destroy the world. About how they must drive them out or even kill them if they don't want to listen. I don't want to believe in something because I'm forced to. I really wonder what I should do? Tell my friends I hate the thing they love the most? Become a Christian myself? And how? Because deep down there is a part of me that hates people like them.
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I Know I personally sent you a PM, but this is also in case anyone here has doubts.

My dear friend, Unfortunately you have come to know what I like to call "Belief Shovers." They like to say that no matter what, because they don't believe, that something can do that. This is not Christianity. In a way of putting it, all people are sinners, that's true. All people are broken, but you have never met and will never meet a person God doesn't love, Does that make sense?

The people who destroy the world are none. The devil and his workers, the demons of hell destroy the world. I must ask you what "denomination" (Catholic, Baptist, etc) of the Church is your school? Because honestly, that really goes against everything us as Christians believe. Not all Christan are like that...

There is nothing in the bible that says you cannot wear jeans or watch TV. However there are people who believe you should look your best when you come to God, and honestly, that's their opinion. My church allows Jeans and whatever...Thinking about things that don't exist is okay. Honestly, there are things that shouldn't exist but do. Where you cross the line is when you start worshiping things. Like fully believing that Wizards are good, or something along the lines of "Oh let's go practice some witchcraft!" Dark things do exist, I'm not going to deny it. There are Witches, Wizards, Necromancers, and others. But all are Works of False Prophets.

People. Do people die of their own fault? According to the bible Sin was brought into the world by Adam eating the Apple. So in that way it is the people's fault as a whole. In another way though, it is not. If you believe in that Jesus Christ is Son of God, and that he died to save ALL People, you will be saved. There are no "Rules" Or anything. You should want to follow God's commandments because they are righteous and good. For example, "Thou Shalt not steal" That seems pretty simple...even as a non christian, you don't want to go steal a whole bunch of crap. Things like that. They ARE made up. So is Purgatory.

The last part. Nonbelievers. Sinners. Jesus, hung out with EVERYONE.

To quote a song, "Moses was a stutterer; David was a murderer; Jeremiah, suicidal, naked in the street. Paul he had his problems the specifics left unsaid, Timothy had stomachaches, and Lazarus was dead. Sampson was a long haired arrogant womanizer, Rahab was a scarlet corded lady of the street*, John the baptist eating bugs and honey on his bread, Gideon a scaredy cat..As is, he chooses us as his."

Being scarlet corded was like being a prostitute. So if you can tell, Jesus' friends all were something that was seriously frowned upon back then, but he still loved them. He still let Judas betray him when he could have just told him he knew what he was up to.

I hate people like them too, and I am a christian. If you ever need to talk, I am here, and I would like to think that this helped even a little. If you have anymore things or concerns talk to me? They aren't real Christians no matter what they say. They are adding to the Bible, in which it clearly states in Revelation 22:18-19

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. "
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Huh, I wonder why your teacher would say that, considering the Bible explicitly says that sometimes when bad things happen to people, it's not their fault or because they did something bad. Chapter nine of the Gospel of John records that Jesus' disciples asked him whether a blind man sinned or his parents sinned, thus bringing the punishment of blindness on him. Jesus told them, "It was not that this man sinned or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him" (John 9:3). Furthermore, an entire book of the Bible, the book of Job, records a good man having terrible things happen to him even though he did nothing bad. Sometimes bad things happen to good people; it's not because of something they did.
Nor do I understand the reason for all the rules you talk about. I call myself a Christian, but I wear jeans, watch TV, play games all the time, and I love fantasy. Shucks, some of the greatest fantasy stories in literature were written by Christians (the Chronicles of Narnia by C.S.Lewis, the Lord of the Rings series by J.R.R.Tolkien) and devout Christians at that. I do believe that some TV shows are not healthy for a Christian to watch, and some fantasy likewise isn't wise to read or get into, but it's not a blanket condemnation of all TV and fantasy. I think some Christians, in an effort to please God and better avoid sin, make up a lot of non-Biblical rules to help them stay away from things that might influence them to sin. The rules are only meant to be helpful, but sometimes, they are given too much importance until eventually they are considered to be as authorative as the Bible itself, and the standards by which to tell whether or not a person is a Christian. These rules don't really define a Christian, though, they're just man-made rules; really, they should probably be considered to be no more authorative than suggestions.
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Dear, Riraito

Angry? No, Im not angry, actually, you not liking God and ADMITING it is almost a good thing, see in the bible, Jesus said that he wants you hot (for him) or cold (against him) because either way, you know where YOU stand.
He said that if you are lukewarm (Claiming to be saved but dont live it, telling yourself you like God but dont, etc,) It really makes him sick and wanna vomit. Not that YOU make HIM sick, but that You arent being legit with yourself or him.

Confused? Yeah, after reading your example Im a little confused myself.

I am going to use Biblical answers at this point, not "Christian" but "biblical" meaning its from the bible.

Firstly, Cancer is a disease, like AIDS or acne, or even death, those are diseases. Diseases were never meant to be part of the world, they exist because of choice. See the absence of light, is dark. Meaning darkness is not tangible, it cant be touched or seen, but as science shows, light is made by particles named Photons. God exists, and is very much alive, sin, is the absence of God.

Bare with me please.

Step 1: Adam and eve.
God wasnt some evil tyrant that gave a list of "rules" because He's the boss. He told us not to do things that hurt us, much like a parent taking away a knife from a 2 year old.
Because he loved Adam and Eve, like he loves us, he gave them a choice. A simple one, to be with Him, or to deny him.

He made a tree named the "tree of knowlege of Good and Evil." Now, nothing was really "magical" about the fruit of this tree, but God told them not to eat it. A choice.

Upon eating it they ignored God and instead of taking his second chance, which was him calling to them, even though he knew they were disobediant, they hid from him; then blamed eachother.

This opened the world to the absence of God, Sin. witch brought disease, illness, hate, lust, discrimination, grudges, etc... With that, came cancer.

No, its not his fault or his parents. Its Adam and Eve and the absence of God.

Step 2:

By the way, the bible doesnt say ANYWHERE that man is more important than woman. But it does say that God is the head of man, and man is the head of woman. Does this count outside marriage? no. It means that in a married couple, the final descision belongs to dad.

People cant wear jeans? That sounds pentacostle lol. Anyway, That is levitical law from the old testiment, God said that "You will not wear clothes of two seperate fabrics." But that had little to do with rules and more to do with shrinkage while washing.

Cant watch TV? no. See, there is a lot of junk on tv. Even you cant deny that some television shows are rediculous, sometimes even "christian" labeled ones. Now I do only watch movies and netflx so I dont see a comercial Ill regret.

Cant play games? Now that is religious, by the way, Jesus came to abolish "religion" a means of "earning" God's mercy. No, he made you, you have mercy, just act like you won a million and go to the station to pick it up.

Oh YEAH! Games... I play games to have fun, If it owns me and rules my life, then its no better to me than heroine, feels good, kills you slowly. Just on a different level.

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They dont know you arent saved? If you look at the way they live and cant tell a difference of them and common drinker joe, then chances are, they arent either, the bible says "Not everyone that calls to me "Lord, Lord" will enter heaven, but ONLY those who do the will of my Father in Heaven." So if they do things that doesnt consistently add up to the fruits of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. [Galatians 5:22-23] then either they have a LOT of repentance (Changes of mind) or they just arent following.

See, talking about killing non-believers is Islam. Not Jesus. Jesus said to love the sinner and bring him to Christ. See, Jesus came to heal the broken, if you think nothing is wrong with your life, then chances are, He is not calling you. See, He came to save, if you feel you dont need saved, then you probably are still on the path to french fries, (not eating them, you becoming them.) BUT If you pretend to be what you arent, then your wasting God's time, and yours. Seriously.

In all four books of Jesus, he says, "Follow me." At that time he meant physically, in our time it means by reading the words he spoke(words in red), and actually following them. He came AGAINST the religious leaders of that day, the Pharasees, the big boys, the preachers of mega churches. They say "Stone her because she is a sinner." He said, "You without sin, cast the first stone." He didn't come to point fingers at us, he came to help us back on our feet. The bible says that the Holy Spirit, (God's Spirit) is to reveal the world of their illness. Its the Christians job to show the ones revealed how to be cured. The word sin doesnt mean "evil, drunkard, witch," Sin is an archery term. It means to not hit the bulseye.

Hoping you endured that lol, I am going to sum up with the witches thing:
Witchcraft is evil, just like drinking is evil. its not anything to do with the act, it has to do with the effect. Alcohol kills your liver. So its bad for your health, if your okay with liver dying slowly, then drink away.
Vampires arent real, but drink other peoples blood. I find that either sick, or too kinky for my taste. They arent real and therefore dont bother me too much. But be careful that its not owning your life, fantasy belongs in fantasy, just like boogers belong in your nose. :P

I hope this helps and not confuse you more, because my God is not a God of confusion [thats in the bible too] but of peace, love, and a clear head.
If you have more questions or still confused please continue to ask, I'll be hapy to answer and resolve issues.

Forgive me if I have atrocious grammar.

P.S. Dont let man dictate your relationship with God. I dont trust a imperfect man to tell me if im saved or not, I read the bible, and follow it to the best I can. The preacher on sunday just helps me study more, NOT control my walk with God.
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