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i am totally for automated trade system bc lazy EYYYY

Its a rather neat idea, but I think It would ruin the MS trading market. Its part of the game to go through all the threads, looking for what you want to buy. If you just had an automatic search, than you wouldn't have the enjoyment of coming across another critter you didn't know you wanted. I think this would totally ruin the good thing we have going now.... Just my opinion.

Pok wrote:

BBkat wrote:

Pok wrote:Much support.

Also consider:
-Protecting creatures that are on auction so at sellers can view their information but they won't grow as long as they are on auction.

This can already be done with a Spell of Protection or by hiding a creature in a trade.

My friend, I think you may have misunderstood my point. (Also please bear in mind I was just suggesting a feature for a hypothetical system.)

The protection is not to prevent the creature from growing up. The protection is so that people can view creatures they may want to buy without affecting its growth and can get it at the percentage it was when being sold. I feel this would be helpful especially if this hypothetical system displays growth percentages. Especially if a seller tries to sell a creature at a low percentage or special percentage.

Additionally, I doubt that most newbies have the funds to buy the Spell of Protection (75k from the shops) and I also doubt that the shop will let you sell creatures that you don't even own.

Your point was understood perfectly and BB was making the counterpoint that such protections already exist. I'm not sure why you think viewing a creature without affecting it's growth in the hypothetical auction is different than having a spell of protection on the tab it's in? The creatures in a protected tab resume normal growth once moved to an unprotected tab. I also have no idea where the last line about selling creatures you don't own comes from?

What I'm trying to say, the system we have now is pretty much user unfriendly. (Especially for mobile users and for those who have wibbly wobbly wi-fi 10 minutes a day). Yes, it works, yes, it has everything to effectively sell and buy and check prices for creatures; but other games do it so, so much better.

(Don't misunderstand me, please, I like Magistream, that's why I want to make it more awesome. Automatic market will sure bring more people to the site. All new and good features do.)

MistyoC wrote:

Pok wrote:

BBkat wrote:This can already be done with a Spell of Protection or by hiding a creature in a trade.

My friend, I think you may have misunderstood my point. (Also please bear in mind I was just suggesting a feature for a hypothetical system.)

The protection is not to prevent the creature from growing up. The protection is so that people can view creatures they may want to buy without affecting its growth and can get it at the percentage it was when being sold. I feel this would be helpful especially if this hypothetical system displays growth percentages. Especially if a seller tries to sell a creature at a low percentage or special percentage.

Additionally, I doubt that most newbies have the funds to buy the Spell of Protection (75k from the shops) and I also doubt that the shop will let you sell creatures that you don't even own.

Your point was understood perfectly and BB was making the counterpoint that such protections already exist. I'm not sure why you think viewing a creature without affecting it's growth in the hypothetical auction is different than having a spell of protection on the tab it's in? The creatures in a protected tab resume normal growth once moved to an unprotected tab. I also have no idea where the last line about selling creatures you don't own comes from?

I was merely suggesting that the auction/automated sale system offer the same protection to the creatures listed for salw as the spell of protection does to creatures in the tab currently.

Also the last line was in response to hiding a creature in a trade- the owner is displayed as 'Nobody' as once you enter a creature in a trade it's out of your keep, and there is no real way to verify that you own it, unless it matches the criteria of 'on your side of an unconfirmed trade waiting on you' which I imagine would be cumbersome.

laertid wrote:What I'm trying to say, the system we have now is pretty much user unfriendly. (Especially for mobile users and for those who have wibbly wobbly wi-fi 10 minutes a day). Yes, it works, yes, it has everything to effectively sell and buy and check prices for creatures; but other games do it so, so much better.

(Don't misunderstand me, please, I like Magistream, that's why I want to make it more awesome. Automatic market will sure bring more people to the site. All new and good features do.)

I don't find the system "unfriendly". Although I typically use my PC, I have used mobile on various free wifi networks while at work or my son's dr appointments. It does take more patience, certainly, but it can be done.

Pok wrote: I was merely suggesting that the auction/automated sale system offer the same protection to the creatures listed for salw as the spell of protection does to creatures in the tab currently.

Also the last line was in response to hiding a creature in a trade- the owner is displayed as 'Nobody' as once you enter a creature in a trade it's out of your keep, and there is no real way to verify that you own it, unless it matches the criteria of 'on your side of an unconfirmed trade waiting on you' which I imagine would be cumbersome.

In that case, your condescending reply is even more puzzling, especially the "clarification" that you meant not to keep the creature from growing up, but so users could view the creature without affecting it's growth.

Ayakashi wrote:

Meggle wrote:Usually when it comes to making sure people don't get "scammed" using an AH type tool, that's up to them to research prices before they list things. It's not something that should ever be up to mods/admins to police.

I personally would love a little user shop I can post stuff in.

But we do police it, as it falls under the "Do not scam other players" rule. Many new players have no idea how to "research prices" which is why they often also don't post set prices when they make a sale thread, so they get called out for haggling, which is also against the rules.

My point was if an AH tool was brought in, its not something mods should have to police...yes police the threads all you want but not the AH system as its too much extra work/not necessary and I've not seen that policing anywhere else on a game that has the automated systems.

An automatic shop and/or auction house is something we are considering. There's no telling when it will happen, or if at all, but we are talking about it and it is a possible future upgrade to the site.

See, an automated Auction House I wouldn't mind, because with timezones and time changes trying to figure out when exactly an auction ends(esp if it's not in your time zone) can be tricky.
Plus, when you have really popular auctions with lots of people all bidding at once (i.e ye old Nursery Auctions) you can end up with clusterfucks of which bids did or didn't count, which was the last one and whatnot. Depending on how an automated one works it could cut that out or at least cut it down

MistyoC wrote: I don't find the system "unfriendly". Although I typically use my PC, I have used mobile on various free wifi networks while at work or my son's dr appointments. It does take more patience, certainly, but it can be done.

That's like standing outside in a jacket next to someone in a t-shirt and saying that you don't find it chilly out. While it's valid that MS can be worked through mobile with any degree of effort, it's undeniable that it's much less accessible than on PC.

In that case, your condescending reply is even more puzzling, especially the "clarification" that you meant not to keep the creature from growing up, but so users could view the creature without affecting it's growth.

What I find more puzzling is why the technicalities of our current methods of hiding creatures is being debated when Pok's original point was simply to suggest that creatures in the hypothetical auction/shop system be protected from growing by default, as a feature of the idea. Talking about hiding creatures in trades or using the spell of protection defeats the purpose of the proposed AUTOMATED system since they're really not related to each other. The protections that already exist are discrete functions from the concept of having creatures listed for sale (again, in the HYPOTHETICAL system we are discussing) be protected from growth. Yes, we already have hiding in trades and protecting tabs right now, but we're not discussing the current state of selling in the market, and talking about this new idea doesn't disparage the efficiency or value of the way that it's being done right now.